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    android OS on a blackberry??

    I was just wondering is it possible to put and android OS on a storm or any other blackberry? I was on a droid site and saw a treo 650 running the droid OS.
    if that old phone can run the droid, y cant we?



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    Android isn't made in Java. Application development for Android is in Java (or C/C++ and ARM Assembly if using the Native Development Kit). However, the userspace and Dalvik virtual machine for Android are written in C (linked to the Bionic libc which is lighter weight than glibc or others used for heavier devices), as is the Linux kernel.

    RIM production devices only run operating systems that have been digitally signed by RIM. The OS actually is all Java, and the firmware serves as a thin layer over the CPU to provide a low level JVM. The OS digital signature is enforced by the firmware, which isn't user alterable without some very serious hacking. For all intents and purposes, it is a "hardware" Java platform.

    Certainly, any such firmware signature restrictions could be bypassed by modifying the firmware. However, this can't
    be accomplished on production devices without dismantling the hardware, and extracting data from the chips containing the firmware.

    In another words you need to deeply hack the firmware to be able to run a different software on the device.
    And to be honest, because of the risk is not worth the try, there is no warranty to be successful on this adventure


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    credit your source for all that tech talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by ealvnv View Post
    android isn't made in java. Application development for android is in java (or c/c++ and arm assembly if using the native development kit). However, the userspace and dalvik virtual machine for android are written in c (linked to the bionic libc which is lighter weight than glibc or others used for heavier devices), as is the linux kernel.

    Rim production devices only run operating systems that have been digitally signed by rim. The os actually is all java, and the firmware serves as a thin layer over the cpu to provide a low level jvm. The os digital signature is enforced by the firmware, which isn't user alterable without some very serious hacking. For all intents and purposes, it is a "hardware" java platform.

    Certainly, any such firmware signature restrictions could be bypassed by modifying the firmware. However, this can't
    be accomplished on production devices without dismantling the hardware, and extracting data from the chips containing the firmware.

    In another words you need to deeply hack the firmware to be able to run a different software on the device.
    And to be honest, because of the risk is not worth the try, there is no warranty to be successful on this adventure
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    Quote Originally Posted by watkins View Post
    credit your source for all that tech talk
    You know how hard is to quote via mobile, plus did I say something that can't be found doing a deep research on the internet.

    And if I didn't credited anyone on my post is because I found it from different sources and knowledge I've gained bricking my blackberry's during all this time

    If you feel I need to credit someone specifically it will be my pleasure to do it, just think there too many sources to credit, and that is why I've said in "easy words"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ealvnv View Post
    You know how hard is to quote via mobile, plus did I say something that can't be found doing a deep research on the internet.

    And if I didn't credited anyone on my post is because I found it from different sources and knowledge I've gained bricking my blackberry's during all this time

    If you feel I need to credit someone specifically it will be my pleasure to do it, just think there too many sources to credit, and that is why I've said in "easy words"
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    i was just giving you a hard time

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    My brother who is a Verizon manager said the Android is much better and has much more potential than the BB.

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    I wonder if it wasnt just a theme like Be Droid

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    BlackBerry 5.0 is nice but I think they need develop something newer and cutting edge. They also need to work out the quirks and tell Verizon who is boss. Verizon has way too much control over what OS is released. .328 in my opinion is more buggy than the leak that came out right before the official OS. I played with the DROID (Motorolla) and the Web Browser was unbelievable!!!! I mean it was quick and just looked beautiful. Im happy that RIM has a relationship with ADOBE now and are supposedly working on a full functioning flash enabled browser but who knows when we will see that. It seems to me like the BB OS is falling behind the times. Android OS is going to take over if BB doesnt step it up. I love my BB Storm but already it seems that BB is forgetting about owners of older phones. For example, the Storm 1 has a graphics chip but yet RIM doesnt bother to enable openGL on it, just the Storm 2 and maybe others. The 83xx series was just reported as the highest sold BlackBerry in the past year but yet RIM doesnt bother releasing a 5.0 OS for the phone series. Comon RIM. Android will take over unless RIM gets creative and take care if ALL BB owners, not just the new phones. Why wouldnt you update the OS on your most popular phone??? RIM needs to take charge when releasing a new OS and not let carriers tell them which OS to release. I dont understand how an OS can be released with bone-headed mistakes like memory leaks and when switching form portrait to landscape you sometimes get the Sure-Type keyboard instead of Qwerty. And the necessity to do one battery pull after another, its just unbelievable to me and I can guarantee that Android 2.0 on the Driod doesnt have this problem or even 1.5 cupcake. I love Storm 1 and wont give it up. I hope RIM is working on stepping their game up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tank244 View Post
    BlackBerry 5.0 is nice but I think they need develop something newer and cutting edge. They also need to work out the quirks and tell Verizon who is boss. Verizon has way too much control over what OS is released. .328 in my opinion is more buggy than the leak that came out right before the official OS. I played with the DROID (Motorolla) and the Web Browser was unbelievable!!!! I mean it was quick and just looked beautiful. Im happy that RIM has a relationship with ADOBE now and are supposedly working on a full functioning flash enabled browser but who knows when we will see that. It seems to me like the BB OS is falling behind the times. Android OS is going to take over if BB doesnt step it up. I love my BB Storm but already it seems that BB is forgetting about owners of older phones. For example, the Storm 1 has a graphics chip but yet RIM doesnt bother to enable openGL on it, just the Storm 2 and maybe others. The 83xx series was just reported as the highest sold BlackBerry in the past year but yet RIM doesnt bother releasing a 5.0 OS for the phone series. Comon RIM. Android will take over unless RIM gets creative and take care if ALL BB owners, not just the new phones. Why wouldnt you update the OS on your most popular phone??? RIM needs to take charge when releasing a new OS and not let carriers tell them which OS to release. I dont understand how an OS can be released with bone-headed mistakes like memory leaks and when switching form portrait to landscape you sometimes get the Sure-Type keyboard instead of Qwerty. And the necessity to do one battery pull after another, its just unbelievable to me and I can guarantee that Android 2.0 on the Driod doesnt have this problem or even 1.5 cupcake. I love Storm 1 and wont give it up. I hope RIM is working on stepping their game up!
    Perfectly said..Cannot add anymore to that. Hopefully VZW gurus or Decision makers read these forums and get motivated.:hail:
    Last edited by Prince Jah; 11-26-2009 at 11:35 PM.

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    Thanks! Glad to see someone on the same page as me !
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