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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Jerde View Post
    The delay is definitely not good. But it may turn out to be better for developers as it will give them a chance to really think about how they want to pursue BlackBerry.
    Id say the delay is about 50/50 for developers.



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    Yes...of course you can gain momentum. Stopping an onslaught of negative publicity is difficult but do-able. Especially the rebuttal article by Alec Saunders. That was momentum gaining material and I believe that it made strides and nullified the survey. And yes...there is a defined PR blitz against RIM. How do I know this? I've seen the PR e-mails and faxes promoting satellite interviews on RIM's troubles and how they try to spin the bad news. Even the editors at CB have received them..they've written articles about getting the media alerts.

    I'm more inclined to drink the kool aide of RIM than I am of the media. Why? Cause I work in the media. I know how the spin goes to create more of a story than what is there. Perfect example happened yesterday at my station. We teased a story about a girl from Gaza, who had been burned as a baby and was in the US to get surgery to help her disfigurement. We teased the story as a girl who "bears the scars of war"... She was burned not by anything having to do with war. But a candle fell in her crib. Sensationalism and misinformation to make the viewer turn in. Total disregard for fact and truth. That's the media.

    Have I said all media outlets and PR companies lie? No. Is everything that RIM says the gospel truth? Of course not. But it's people that eschew negativity as yourself, especially in a BlackBerry friendly forum...well, it's not difficult to get hackles raised of those, like myself, that do believe that RIM is being honest about their situation. They have everything to lose..and lying now does nothing to help the company and discredits a fairly young CEO and his future.

    You and I will just have to agree to disagree on all of this.

    But I wonder why if you feel so poorly about RIM, the way it's headed and being handled, are you using a BlackBerry? You use an iPhone or Android instead? And if you aren't all that sold on RIM, why still continue to be a member of a BlackBerry forum community? Not trying to get you to leave and not that I'd want you too. It just seems...odd.

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    Oh...forgot to address the fanboi comment..

    Hello...January FOTM here... We also have the June FOTM as a senior editor here..

    Lions, tigers and fanbois....OH MY!!!
    Last edited by newshutr; 07-15-2012 at 07:59 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    Yes...of course you can gain momentum. Stopping an onslaught of negative publicity is difficult but do-able. Especially the rebuttal article by Alec Saunders. That was momentum gaining material and I believe that it made strides and nullified the survey.
    I disagree. Like I said above, if the survey and article are so ridiculous, just ignore the stupid thing. But now Alec Saunders has released a public statement about it, other media outlets notice the public statement, so then they start looking in to it and write a piece on it. Then some other media member notice that bit, start digging a little more.....so on and so forth. What was once a ridiculous survey has now gained steam and has been seen by more eyes than if RIM would have just said nothing at all. If the situation arises where RIM is questioned about the survey, a response of "we don't comment on something that is this ludicrous". Then the story HAS to go away.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    And yes...there is a defined PR blitz against RIM. How do I know this? I've seen the PR e-mails and faxes promoting satellite interviews on RIM's troubles and how they try to spin the bad news. Even the editors at CB have received them..they've written articles about getting the media alerts.
    I mean no offense here, I'm not calling you a liar. But, I'm not gonna believe this claim until I see some proof. Not from you, CB or anyone. Maybe they do exist, and I will gladly admit that I'm wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    I'm more inclined to drink the kool aide of RIM than I am of the media. Why? Cause I work in the media. *I know how the spin goes to create more of a story than what is there. Perfect example happened yesterday at my station. We teased a story about a girl from Gaza, who had been burned as a baby and was in the US to get surgery to help her disfigurement. We teased the story as a girl who "bears the scars of war"... She was burned not by anything having to do with war. But a candle fell in her crib. Sensationalism and misinformation to make the viewer turn in. Total disregard for fact and truth. That's the media.
    I never said the media wasn't full of crap. Everyone has seen at least once in their life where the media has spun a story or headline to fit their agenda or to catch people's eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    Have I said all media outlets and PR companies lie? No. Is everything that RIM says the gospel truth? Of course not.
    I didn't accuse you of saying that all media outlets and PR companies lie. However, you did infer with this statement:

    Or is it that the media knows all? They're there with all the numbers, seeing the development every day, right? The media does no wrong?
    that media is mostly wrong when it comes to negative RIM news. Which is why I want to know. If there was a positive piece about RIM that contained information that wasn't factually correct, would you investigate and debunk it as vigorously as you do when it's negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    But it's people that eschew negativity as yourself, especially in a BlackBerry friendly forum...well, it's not difficult to get hackles raised of those, like myself, that do believe that RIM is being honest about their situation.
    How am I "eschewing negativity"? Because I challenged your statement of "RIM gaining momentum"? Is this not a discussion forum? Is there a rule somewhere that says in order to be a member here I have to share the exact same opinion of everyone else? And I don't believe that RIM is being dishonest about everything. I do believe, however, they are certainly picking and choosing very carefully what to be honest about.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    They have everything to lose..and lying now does nothing to help the company and discredits a fairly young CEO and his future.
    I couldn't agree more. They DO have everything to lose, especially the CEO. No one wants to be holding the steering wheel of a ship at the bottom of the ocean. And sometimes, personal agendas will supersede what is best for the company. Now before anyone jumps all over me for accusing Thorsten or anyone else in RIM of this, that is not what I am saying. But it is ALWAYS a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    You and I will just have to agree to disagree on all of this.
    Okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    But I wonder why if you feel so poorly about RIM, the way it's headed and being handled, are you using a BlackBerry? You use an iPhone or Android instead?
    Yup, both my wife and I have a BlackBerry. We both like them very much. We dig BBM, we both prefer a physical keyboard over a touch screen. Overall, I'm pretty happy with my phone.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    And if you aren't all that sold on RIM, why still continue to be a member of a BlackBerry forum community? Not trying to get you to leave and not that I'd want you too. It just seems...odd.
    Again, I can't be a member and have an opposing view? I'm my own person and I'm not afraid to disagree with something. If that makes me "odd" as you say, then so be it. Despite what you or the other d00d that called me a troll thinks, my comments were not meant as an attempt wind anyone up. And if the staff would rather I not be here because I disagree with something someone said, no problem, feel free to remove me and we will go separate ways.
    Last edited by DownForce; 07-15-2012 at 09:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    Oh...forgot to address the fanboi comment..

    Hello...January FOTM here... We also have the June FOTM as a senior editor here..

    Lions, tigers and fanbois....OH MY!!!
    I meant no offense with my fanboy comment above. In fact, I thought that you being so loyal to all things BlackBerry it was appropriate. If that is not the case and you were offended by that, please accept my sincere apologies.



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    BlackBerry developers say RIM is energized, on track | Mobile - CNET News

    Which mobile OS

    People who think BlackBerry devs don't make money or devs are not interested should read the above links. The sources are not fan sites

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