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    I tweeted back to the lady at ZDNET that published about them losing developers. Frankly I let her have it. I said You must be paying ppl to say these things when taking the polls, like newshutr said "paid lies" so the general public believe it. Polls arent reliable. Or else they are Apple/Droid users specific lol. Also you will use/publish anything negative to help destroy RIM.



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    I've read everyone's post here, and I also agree this survey that was conducted is not accurate one bit.

    An article such as this will bring up emotions, some will run up very high, some users will post different opinions, and some users won't agree to it, which is completely normal.

    Obviously, whomever put this together didn't do their homework, and I for one have a few words of my own.

    Let's keep the discussions clean, there's nothing wrong with hearing both sides to this issue, the last thing I want to do is edit out member's posts, and I don't want to do that.

    Thank you.

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    lets be realistic here guys. the dev jam is a great success but worldwide thats a tiny number of the amount of actual developers there are out there.
    if users are moving and businesses are moving then its highly likely that devs are moving too.
    if #teamblackberry is to have credibility then we are going to have to accept issues like this really.
    devs success for blackberry 10 won't be based on how many there are, it will be based on how much money they make, and nobody can predict that.



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    Hmmmmm.....not sure why you chose direct your post at me, but OK, I'll respond in turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by veeru789 View Post
    Dev community is hugely excited for BB10 and this is cealrly evident from Jam events being sold out completely all over the world.
    That's great news!! Unfortunately, not one of those developers will see a SINGLE penny off of ANY BB10 apps for AT LEAST 6 months.....maybe longer than that. And I would imagine that some of those developers rely on that income to feed their families and put a roof over their heads. Momentum??.....not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by veeru789 View Post
    Also for your kind information, if you did read the article properly (and not with "Bash RIM for everything" attitude)
    Ummmm....don't make assumptions about me. You don't know me. You have no clue what my attitude is.

    Quote Originally Posted by veeru789 View Post
    you will notice that WP7 is in third place. Where as the survey is meant to gauge the long term prospects of dev interest in all platforms. But we all know that WP7 is being discontinued and wp8 is the future for MSFT. Existing users cant upgrade to 8. This cealrly tells me that the survey was a joke, if not a paid one. secondly only 200 devs participated in the survey. Finally, for any average dev, BB platforms are more profitable as there is less competetion and .................u know it, "BB USERS HAVE CREDIT CARDS".

    Read this link as well to gain more perspective: ( When surveys go wrong ... | CrackBerry.com)
    I'm not really sure why you're citing all of these acronyms and telling me all of this. Never once did I say that the survey wasn't slanted or stupid for that matter. Frankly, I could care less what negative articles or surveys about RIM exist in the world, much like I could care less about the positive ones. I make my own choices based on my own opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by veeru789 View Post
    sorry Mods if i was too aggressive, but sick of all these trolls poping up every where.
    Wish I could have seen the original version before grimreaper edited it.....might have been pretty entertaining. But again, name calling? You do realize that your debate skills take a major hit when you sink to that level right? But whatever, call me any name you want, if because I disagree with your view makes me a troll, then so be it. I've been called a lot worse - mostly in the four letter variety.
    Last edited by DownForce; 07-14-2012 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Grammatical error

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    Quote Originally Posted by DownForce View Post
    You can resort to calling me names all you want.....I got thick skin, I can take it. I was merely asking a sincere question because saying that RIM has momentum in anything after the mountain of bad news over the past month is laughable at best.
    And by the images coming from the BB Jam sessions...some are well over 200 people...that sample survey number...so, there's data that flies in the face of the article.

    And momentum, yes. The rebuttal statements written by RIM...gain momentum...stop the falsehoods from media outlets and tell how it really is. Or is it that the media knows all? They're there with all the numbers, seeing the development every day, right? The media does no wrong? Heck, they've never even jumped on PR plant stories pushed by competitors, right?

    But hey, I guess some people chose the glass half empty approach...



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    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    And by the images coming from the BB Jam sessions...some are well over 200 people...that sample survey number...so, there's data that flies in the face of the article.
    Like I said, great!! But show me in this thread where once I said that the survey that was conducted or article that was subsequently produced was legit. You're arguing with yourself here.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    And momentum, yes. The rebuttal statements written by RIM...gain momentum...stop the falsehoods from media outlets and tell how it really is.
    The rebuttal statements written by RIM GAIN momentum??? Really? You really think that is a way to GAIN momentum? If you could honestly take off your fanboy rose colored glasses and look at this objectively, you would realize how ridiculous that sounds. And if that article and survey are so preposterous why even dignify it with a response? By responding to it, all RIM has done is give it more traction and points out that it even exists. It wreaks of desperation.

    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    Or is it that the media knows all? They're there with all the numbers, seeing the development every day, right? The media does no wrong? Heck, they've never even jumped on PR plant stories pushed by competitors, right?

    But hey, I guess some people chose the glass half empty approach...
    So let me get this straight. If the media produces a negatively slanted article towards RIM, it is all lies and the media is out to get RIM and the media is conspiring with RIM's competitors. Would you say the same thing if it was a positive article about RIM? Would those same articles filled with positive glowing endorsements be all lies? Would RIM then be conspiring with the media to make their company look good?

    Also, you have no proof that RIM is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They could very well be dishing out a whole bunch of spin so that things don't look as bad as they are. I don't know that they are doing that, but you don't know that they aren't. Just like a typical divorce, there's three sides to this story - RIM's side, the media's side and the truth.

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    The good thing about RIM is people are still interested and listening and "debating".

    That shows you the interest in bb10. If it was all silent and nobody was commenting then there would be a problem.

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    The delay is definitely not good. But it may turn out to be better for developers as it will give them a chance to really think about how they want to pursue BlackBerry.

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