Thread: 83xx general hybrid or os loading help here

Thank you JNEPSA for the welcome, the information and the quick response.

In case it did not show, this is my first BB and have just had it about two months.

What you are saying sounds like the results someone else had with verizon/.160/8330. Would it be safe to presume that if .160 did not work, that .169 would not work either? I see Bluegrass Cellular, US Cellular and Cellular South all have version .169 available.

Comfort Level, hmmm, If the forum collective, or someone in particular can get me unbricked if my BB gets bricked, probably my error, then lets give it a go, if you are up to it.

I saw several mentions of hybrid systems, but they did not go into much detail. Could you elaborate on how they come about and what you have seen that makes it wonderful? Do the hybrids have BBM5 rolled into them or are they strictly an os and you add BBM5 and other apps as you want? Sounds pretty interesting.

Fairly OT, but I think it makes a point. I have a COWAN D2 portable and did some mods when I first got it through their forums. Really great and talented people there. I am getting the same feeling with this forum. It has been awhile so I can not remember the name of the developers, but many were almost praying for this particular group to make an alternative os for the cowan d2 as they had for several other PMPs.

Is this pretty much how the BBhybrids are coming about?

Again, thanks for the reply and lets talk hybrids guys, and gals, Chris.

Originally Posted by wolfwatcher51

Thank you JNEPSA for the welcome, the information and the quick response.

In case it did not show, this is my first BB and have just had it about two months.

What you are saying sounds like the results someone else had with verizon/.160/8330. Would it be safe to presume that if .160 did not work, that .169 would not work either? I see Bluegrass Cellular, US Cellular and Cellular South all have version .169 available.

Comfort Level, hmmm, If the forum collective, or someone in particular can get me unbricked if my BB gets bricked, probably my error, then lets give it a go, if you are up to it.

I saw several mentions of hybrid systems, but they did not go into much detail. Could you elaborate on how they come about and what you have seen that makes it wonderful? Do the hybrids have BBM5 rolled into them or are they strictly an os and you add BBM5 and other apps as you want? Sounds pretty interesting.

Fairly OT, but I think it makes a point. I have a COWAN D2 portable and did some mods when I first got it through their forums. Really great and talented people there. I am getting the same feeling with this forum. It has been awhile so I can not remember the name of the developers, but many were almost praying for this particular group to make an alternative os for the cowan d2 as they had for several other PMPs.

Is this pretty much how the BBhybrids are coming about?

Again, thanks for the reply and lets talk hybrids guys, and gals, Chris.

.169 i have not read up on after installing the hybrid on that phone it will take nothing short of GOD himself telling me to change it. A hybrid is basically an operating system made up of several different builds to make a great one. I am sorry I didnt catch this for some reason it didnt show up in my user CP??, but if you would like to try we can get you there, and yes the forum collective could get your bricked phone back on track. Let me know and the next post I give you I will get you links and instructions on how to

Originally Posted by jnepsa

.169 i have not read up on after installing the hybrid on that phone it will take nothing short of GOD himself telling me to change it. A hybrid is basically an operating system made up of several different builds to make a great one. I am sorry I didnt catch this for some reason it didnt show up in my user CP??, but if you would like to try we can get you there, and yes the forum collective could get your bricked phone back on track. Let me know and the next post I give you I will get you links and instructions on how to

Yes, I see what you mean about the hybrid, someone (s) assembled all the good parts and made it where it would install with your existing OS. Pretty cool.

I have the latest verizon on both my phone and my computer. It is 4.5.0.138. I believe this meets the criteria for installing BBM5. I have looked on the hard drive and have seen all the folders and files referred to in earlier posts.

Not trying to out guess you, but I know I am going to have to backup my phone and the third party apps and have watched the video on doing so. Looks doable to me.

I am not sure under what circumstances you would have to wipe your phone, I hope that is not necessary with a hybrid install. Sounds a little scary, but if it needs to be then onward through the fog.

Thanks for your encouragement and help, Chris.

Originally Posted by wolfwatcher51

Yes, I see what you mean about the hybrid, someone (s) assembled all the good parts and made it where it would install with your existing OS. Pretty cool.

I have the latest verizon on both my phone and my computer. It is 4.5.0.138. I believe this meets the criteria for installing BBM5. I have looked on the hard drive and have seen all the folders and files referred to in earlier posts.

Not trying to out guess you, but I know I am going to have to backup my phone and the third party apps and have watched the video on doing so. Looks doable to me.

I am not sure under what circumstances you would have to wipe your phone, I hope that is not necessary with a hybrid install. Sounds a little scary, but if it needs to be then onward through the fog.

Thanks for your encouragement and help, Chris.

with a hybrid its never a bad idea to wipe the phone.. that way you know for sure its just the hybrid on there. when i said userCP I have this site set so when i reply it shows up in my subscribes threads, and for some reason this one did not. but yes it seems as if you are on the right track.. let us know how we can help

Originally Posted by jnepsa

with a hybrid its never a bad idea to wipe the phone.. that way you know for sure its just the hybrid on there. when i said userCP I have this site set so when i reply it shows up in my subscribes threads, and for some reason this one did not. but yes it seems as if you are on the right track.. let us know how we can help

OK lets get this thing started :hail:

So far I have used BBDManager to do a standard backup. Followed the video and backed up my 3rd party apps. I downloaded for possible use BBSAKv1.5_Installer, Shrink-A-OS, wrar390, OTA, CrackUtil, and bbm5008( a package with bbm5.0 for several versions of os). I think BBSAK has replaced the older CrackUtil, but it was easy to download just in case.I currently have installed zip genius, will this work in place of wrar or do I need it too.I also do have my os 4.5.0.138 installed on my computer and have visited the file locations mentioned previously and they are there.

It looks like there are two hybrids for the 8330, the most recent being a beta.Which one should we use? I am not against or for using a beta, this one seems to be very mature, but I will absolutely follow your lead.

I read a thread(s) where you and others were helping several people at the same time so I did not get just exactly what to do, what to do it with, and the expected questions from the install and the correct answers to them. One example would be not understanding rather to answer upgrade or downgrade to a question, I believe it is part of the hybrid install, or it could be when using BBDManager to reload things to the phone.

Considering what I have done and what I have downloaded, could you please identify which tools to use for what part and what the procedure is exactly? Do we install the hybrid and get it on the phone and then install bbm5 as two separate procedures, or do both at the same time? Assuming we do not use a hybrid that already has bbm5 in it. What would your advice be in regards to using or not using Shrink-A-OS?

It looked like several people having real problems had them because they did not have their os installed on their computer and/or a high enough version of an os to use bbm5. I think I am at least good to go in those two areas, as well as my backups.

I have really bad insomnia, so we are probably on opposite schedules so please do not let what seems like a slow response from me upset you. This is why so many questions, because if I run into a snag or do not know what to answer to an install question, it might be 12 hours before you read my question and we can get it worked out.

Thanks for your help and patience, Chris.

Originally Posted by wolfwatcher51

OK lets get this thing started :hail:

So far I have used BBDManager to do a standard backup. Followed the video and backed up my 3rd party apps. I downloaded for possible use BBSAKv1.5_Installer, Shrink-A-OS, wrar390, OTA, CrackUtil, and bbm5008( a package with bbm5.0 for several versions of os). I think BBSAK has replaced the older CrackUtil, but it was easy to download just in case.I currently have installed zip genius, will this work in place of wrar or do I need it too.I also do have my os 4.5.0.138 installed on my computer and have visited the file locations mentioned previously and they are there.

It looks like there are two hybrids for the 8330, the most recent being a beta.Which one should we use? I am not against or for using a beta, this one seems to be very mature, but I will absolutely follow your lead.

I read a thread(s) where you and others were helping several people at the same time so I did not get just exactly what to do, what to do it with, and the expected questions from the install and the correct answers to them. One example would be not understanding rather to answer upgrade or downgrade to a question, I believe it is part of the hybrid install, or it could be when using BBDManager to reload things to the phone.

Considering what I have done and what I have downloaded, could you please identify which tools to use for what part and what the procedure is exactly? Do we install the hybrid and get it on the phone and then install bbm5 as two separate procedures, or do both at the same time? Assuming we do not use a hybrid that already has bbm5 in it. What would your advice be in regards to using or not using Shrink-A-OS?

It looked like several people having real problems had them because they did not have their os installed on their computer and/or a high enough version of an os to use bbm5. I think I am at least good to go in those two areas, as well as my backups.

I have really bad insomnia, so we are probably on opposite schedules so please do not let what seems like a slow response from me upset you. This is why so many questions, because if I run into a snag or do not know what to answer to an install question, it might be 12 hours before you read my question and we can get it worked out.

Thanks for your help and patience, Chris.

No frustration here. It kinda works better this way.. you get to experiment but still get help

1-download the Base os you need, and they hybrid... extract the java folder from the hybrid to C>programfiles>commonfiles>RIM>shared>loader>java( open the java of the hybrid and extract it all to the open folder of java in the location i listed) overwrited all. Leave that folder open and minimize it.

2 remove you micro sd(memory card) if you have one, desktop manager- backup/restore, backup.. this will back up contacts and all of you device cept 3rd party apps.

3 BBSAK- that will back up your 3rd party apps, and wipe your device
there are buttons for each.. if you do not quite understand the process here leave me another question.

4- once wiped your device should boot to an app error 507 no os loaded white screen this is good!

**5- the folder we minimized bring it back up, and go back two folders you should be in c>programfiles>commonfiles>RIM, now go to apploader>find the vendor.xml and delete it> then you will see loader.exe. click it and will look similar to DM loader but this is the preferred way to do this install. select all the things you want installed and let it run. DONT touch your phone until it fully reboots. then you can run DM again, restore like normal, to do you 3rd party apps (if they dont show up in loader.exe) in DM go apploaer>load applications> then you will see at the bottom you can click browse> find the backup you made of your third party apps made with BBSAK.

** SHrink-a-os I have used this on my wifes curve... with or with out it you dont gain a whole lot, because you can leave off most things when you do the os install. If you want to use it let me know and I will tell you what step to use it at and what you can and cant do. Hope this helps

Originally Posted by jnepsa

No frustration here. It kinda works better this way.. you get to experiment but still get help

1-download the Base os you need, and they hybrid... extract the java folder from the hybrid to C>programfiles>commonfiles>RIM>shared>loader>java( open the java of the hybrid and extract it all to the open folder of java in the location i listed) overwrited all. Leave that folder open and minimize it.

2 remove you micro sd(memory card) if you have one, desktop manager- backup/restore, backup.. this will back up contacts and all of you device cept 3rd party apps.

3 BBSAK- that will back up your 3rd party apps, and wipe your device
there are buttons for each.. if you do not quite understand the process here leave me another question.

4- once wiped your device should boot to an app error 507 no os loaded white screen this is good!

**5- the folder we minimized bring it back up, and go back two folders you should be in c>programfiles>commonfiles>RIM, now go to apploader>find the vendor.xml and delete it> then you will see loader.exe. click it and will look similar to DM loader but this is the preferred way to do this install. select all the things you want installed and let it run. DONT touch your phone until it fully reboots. then you can run DM again, restore like normal, to do you 3rd party apps (if they dont show up in loader.exe) in DM go apploaer>load applications> then you will see at the bottom you can click browse> find the backup you made of your third party apps made with BBSAK.

** SHrink-a-os I have used this on my wifes curve... with or with out it you dont gain a whole lot, because you can leave off most things when you do the os install. If you want to use it let me know and I will tell you what step to use it at and what you can and cant do. Hope this helps

This looks pretty straight forward, mostly.

Which of the two hybrids do you recommend for the 8330 curve, the beta one or the other one? I think the beta one might have BBM5 already in it so BBM5 will not need to be installed individually. If it does need to be installed separately, in or between which steps of your procedure would the install go?

I am guessing that the hybrid file is an executable and it's java file is the only part of the hybrid install that we need to move and manually overwrite the current java files, right? The rest of the hybrid gets installed wherever it needs to go? Or is the hybrid just the replacement files for the java folder?

Since I can leave off most things when I do the os install, I think I will pass on the Shrink-A-OS, at least for now.

If you would be so kind, what exactly can I leave out of the os install, basically, what I can and cannot do?

There was some discussion about using a particular version of the radio, I forget just now which one. Has this been incorporated into the hybrid, or do I need to do it separately and where in your procedure list would it go? Where can I go to get it and what did they mean when they said not to forget to rename it, to what exactly?

I am presuming that steps 2 and 3 do not use anything in the java folder, so putting the new java files in it will not affect the DM backup or the BBSAK third party backups, right?

I have already used DM to do a backup and followed the video to do a 3rd party app backup. I guess it would just be safer to do the 3rd party backup using BBSAK this time so there will be no problems with the install, and another DM backup would not hurt anything either.

With your help I am very close to pulling the trigger on this thing. I think this should be the last information I need to get going. At Least until I am actually doing it, that is.:laugh2:

Again, Thanks, Chris.

Originally Posted by wolfwatcher51

This looks pretty straight forward, mostly.

Which of the two hybrids do you recommend for the 8330 curve, the beta one or the other one? I think the beta one might have BBM5 already in it so BBM5 will not need to be installed individually. If it does need to be installed separately, in or between which steps of your procedure would the install go?

I am guessing that the hybrid file is an executable and it's java file is the only part of the hybrid install that we need to move and manually overwrite the current java files, right? The rest of the hybrid gets installed wherever it needs to go? Or is the hybrid just the replacement files for the java folder?

Since I can leave off most things when I do the os install, I think I will pass on the Shrink-A-OS, at least for now.

If you would be so kind, what exactly can I leave out of the os install, basically, what I can and cannot do?

There was some discussion about using a particular version of the radio, I forget just now which one. Has this been incorporated into the hybrid, or do I need to do it separately and where in your procedure list would it go? Where can I go to get it and what did they mean when they said not to forget to rename it, to what exactly?

I am presuming that steps 2 and 3 do not use anything in the java folder, so putting the new java files in it will not affect the DM backup or the BBSAK third party backups, right?

I have already used DM to do a backup and followed the video to do a 3rd party app backup. I guess it would just be safer to do the 3rd party backup using BBSAK this time so there will be no problems with the install, and another DM backup would not hurt anything either.

With your help I am very close to pulling the trigger on this thing. I think this should be the last information I need to get going. At Least until I am actually doing it, that is.:laugh2:

Again, Thanks, Chris.

no problem, if you backed up your apps using DM thats fine too(its still the way i do it, old fashioned) and the hybrid is only replacing the java folder..

I highly recommend this hyrbid by lyricidal

you are correct steps 2 and 3 have nothing to do with the new os for your phone

This is where you can all easily ask questions about your 83xsx and we will respond

Originally Posted by jnepsa

This is where you can all easily ask questions about your 83xsx and we will respond

OK jnespa, almost ready to go here.

Hopefully last questions before I follow the procedure I have put together from this and other threads.

You recommended the 4.5 Hybrid with 4.6/5.0 files. I installed 4.5.0.160 to my computer. Then I installed the hybrid to it. Deleted the vendor file, replaced the radio file under cdma with one from .131.

I switched to .160 from .138 because It looked like the 4.5 hybrid was more for the .160 than the .138. Since the chief complaint with .160 on verizon was crackling when you make/receive a call, I followed forum advice and "fixed" it with the .131 radio. I hope that that is all the fix needed.

When I unzipped the 4.5 hybrid, besides the java folder, there was one for BBM which I take is Blackberry Messenger. Inside it there are folders for both 4.5 and 5.0.

I am unclear about what to do, if anything, with them. When I install the hybridized .160, will it ask which one I want to install? Or, am I supposed to pick the one I want 5.0 and copy it's contents into the java folder, replacing/overwriting any that ask?

I have read a thread that upgrades you to bbm 5, there is an .alx file you put someplace and a bunch of .cod files I believe you put into the java folder, overwriting as necessary.

The 5.0 folder in 4.5 hybrid only has .cod files in it, do not see the .alx, maybe it is already in the .160 files. So what do I need to do to get bbm 5.0 installed when I load the hybridized .160 os?

Finally, do I want to choose load 5.0 files when I am in Shrink-A-OS? Are they necessary for the bbm 5.0 or are they used for something else?

Thanks, Chris.

I know its a bit old school, but i sure do wish the hybrid gods would make more for me

Originally Posted by wolfwatcher51

OK jnespa, almost ready to go here.

Hopefully last questions before I follow the procedure I have put together from this and other threads.

You recommended the 4.5 Hybrid with 4.6/5.0 files. I installed 4.5.0.160 to my computer. Then I installed the hybrid to it. Deleted the vendor file, replaced the radio file under cdma with one from .131.

I switched to .160 from .138 because It looked like the 4.5 hybrid was more for the .160 than the .138. Since the chief complaint with .160 on verizon was crackling when you make/receive a call, I followed forum advice and "fixed" it with the .131 radio. I hope that that is all the fix needed.

When I unzipped the 4.5 hybrid, besides the java folder, there was one for BBM which I take is Blackberry Messenger. Inside it there are folders for both 4.5 and 5.0.

I am unclear about what to do, if anything, with them. When I install the hybridized .160, will it ask which one I want to install? Or, am I supposed to pick the one I want 5.0 and copy it's contents into the java folder, replacing/overwriting any that ask?

I have read a thread that upgrades you to bbm 5, there is an .alx file you put someplace and a bunch of .cod files I believe you put into the java folder, overwriting as necessary.

The 5.0 folder in 4.5 hybrid only has .cod files in it, do not see the .alx, maybe it is already in the .160 files. So what do I need to do to get bbm 5.0 installed when I load the hybridized .160 os?

Finally, do I want to choose load 5.0 files when I am in Shrink-A-OS? Are they necessary for the bbm 5.0 or are they used for something else?

Thanks, Chris.

ok do not load the 5.0 files... shirnk an os isnt exactly necessary because you can leave of the things you dont want to install. The 5.0 bbm I think you could just paste the 5.0 bbm .cod in but that I am unsure have.. i only know how to do with tbhe .alx or ota methods.. I would leave them out we can always get 5.0 on there with out having ot do a reload after. sounds like you are all good to go though...as long as you know how to find the loader.exe you should have it.