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    Discussion About Pearl Flip

    Basically, my question is "Why all the HATE for the Pearl Flip?" - more specifically, why do so many hate the Flip; yet the Curve seems so widely loved?

    Looking over the specs at pdadb, it would appear that the Pearl Flip is basically a flip-phone formfactor "Curve 83xx on steroids"

    Let's compare the 8230 and the 8330:

    CPU: 8230 - 312MHz xScale PXA272 / 8330 - 225MHz MSM6550
    Memory: 8230 - 128MiB RAM,128 MiB ROM / 8330 - 32MiB RAM,32+64MiB ROM
    Screen: 8230 - 240x320 2.4" / 8330 - 320x240 2.4"
    OS: 8230 - 4.6.1.xxx / 8330 - 4.5.0.xxx (officially speaking)

    So the Flip bests the Curve 8330 in all aspects except screen size, where the devices are equal. Yet it has the reputation of being somewhat less than a real BB device. Yes, it feels a bit cheap; so does the Curve IMHO (the Storm FEELS like I think a device should - has some weight to it). The keyboard may be an issue for some, but as a guy with relatively big fingers, I LOVE the large SureType keyboard. The keys are HUGE!

    The Flip SEEMS like a device that would be popular, but going by comments on the net you'd think it was the plague. Is this just a sad side effect of the device being unfortunately branded as a Pearl-family device? Surely, there's a huge market for flip phones; and one would think such a device as the Pearl Flip would be HUGE. Would the Pearl Flip perhaps have done better had it been put under the Curve brand, or even just called the "BlackBerry Flip"?

    I guess the purpose of this topic is to stimulate discussion about a topic that has puzzled me since the day I walked into VZW to check out (and ultimately buy) the 8230. You all should have heard the VZW guy trying to talk me out of it. Told me as a Storm owner i'd hate it. Funny, I LOVE it as a backup device - sometimes i'm going to be doing a dirty job, or watching dirt stock car races; and i'm NOT taking my Storm to the local dirt track for a night of racing. The Flip is GREAT for that, and best of all, it's still a REAL BLACKBERRY!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Dave12308; 09-29-2009 at 08:45 PM. Reason: Fixed my grammatical error.




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    Looks like it could create a lively discussion, it would be interesting to see it develope.

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    Form factor is what kills it for me.

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    I agree Dave my wife is dying for one. Loved her 8130 just didn't like the "brick" phone look. I myself owned a pearl for a little while and it was a great phone I actually miss how easy it was to hold and talk on

    Great topic

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    I agree with John form factor is deal breaker as is suretype

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunkast View Post
    Form factor is what kills it for me.
    Yes, but think of it from the perspective of someone who would normally use a flip phone if BB devices weren't so awesome.

    If you aren't averse to the flip phone formfactor, what is there to hate about the Flip? It seems more of the negative comments I see are about raw power rather than form factor, as if the Flip is underpowered compared to other flip phones. It's almost like people don't understand that you can't stick a 600MHz processor and 256MB of RAM into a flip phone and not get stuck with heat and battery life issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlevy73 View Post
    I agree with John form factor is deal breaker as is suretype
    The funny thing is, SureType SEEMS like a dealbreaker until you actually use one, and realize that in multitap mode, you can almost type as quickly as with a real keyboard (since it doesn't have to cycle through as many choices as a traditional phone keypad in multitap mode).

    I think the first thing I did with my flip was I disabled SureType.
    Last edited by Dave12308; 09-29-2009 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    The funny thing is, SureType SEEMS like a dealbreaker until you actually use one, and realize that in multitap mode, you can almost type as quickly as with a real keyboard (since it doesn't have to cycle through as many choices as a traditional phone keypad in multitap mode).

    I think the first thing I did with my flip was I disabled SureType.
    Yep on my old pearl I used only multitap and could pound out an email almost as fast as I can on my tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    Yes, but think of it from the perspective of someone who would normally use a flip phone if BB devices weren't so awesome.

    If you aren't averse to the flip phone formfactor, what is there to hate about the Flip? It seems more of the negative comments I see are about raw power rather than form factor, as if the Flip is underpowered compared to other flip phones. It's almost like people don't understand that you can't stick a 600MHz processor and 256MB of RAM into a flip phone and not get stuck with heat and battery life issues.
    I agree Dave the specs speak for themselves. It's like saying does the corvette have more horsepower than a Lexus. Of the course the answer is yes but some people just don't like the look of a corvette. Same goes for the Flip. Some people will never like flip phones just as some well never like touchscreen phones. It really comes down to a matter of preference.

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    Oh well, I guess those of us that do have them and do enjoy them can continue to do so *LOL* I just hope it sells well enough that RIM continues to develop a line of flip-phones.

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    IMHO the biggest thing these days, is the fact that the screen is so small. Most people that are buying a BB want more screen... only people really interested are new people to BB.. but with the full web browser and email it does not take long to see how much you wish you had a larger screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnepsa View Post
    IMHO the biggest thing these days, is the fact that the screen is so small. Most people that are buying a BB want more screen... only people really interested are new people to BB.. but with the full web browser and email it does not take long to see how much you wish you had a larger screen.
    Yes, but the only problem with this argument is the screen is 2.4 inches, which according to VZW's website is the EXACT same size as the 9630 Tour's screen (only rotated 90 degrees) - holding my Flip up next to a Tour confirms this. Yet I don't hear people complaining about the size of the Tour's screen.

    The only advantage some of the open-faced trackball berries have is a higher screen resolution, however on a screen this small, that is not as important as one would think. It would be NICE if the Flip had a 360x480 screen (like a Tour screen rotated 90 degrees) but for the most part, a lower res screen of this size is actually easier to read. Sort of like the way that below a certain screen size, the difference between 1080p and 720p is very hard to see.

    I'm almost convinced that the branding as "Pearl" is what made it not as popular as one would think. They see the name and automatically assume it has ALL of the shortcomings of the original Pearl (tiny screen, sub-QVGA resolution, tiny keys)

    To be honest, if you're in the market for a BB device, and a large high-res screen is important to you; the Storm is the only real option (until the S2 comes out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    Yes, but the only problem with this argument is the screen is 2.4 inches, which according to VZW's website is the EXACT same size as the 9630 Tour's screen (only rotated 90 degrees) - holding my Flip up next to a Tour confirms this. Yet I don't hear people complaining about the size of the Tour's screen.

    The only advantage some of the open-faced trackball berries have is a higher screen resolution, however on a screen this small, that is not as important as one would think. It would be NICE if the Flip had a 360x480 screen (like a Tour screen rotated 90 degrees) but for the most part, a lower res screen of this size is actually easier to read. Sort of like the way that below a certain screen size, the difference between 1080p and 720p is very hard to see.

    I'm almost convinced that the branding as "Pearl" is what made it not as popular as one would think. They see the name and automatically assume it has ALL of the shortcomings of the original Pearl (tiny screen, sub-QVGA resolution, tiny keys)

    To be honest, if you're in the market for a BB device, and a large high-res screen is important to you; the Storm is the only real option (until the S2 comes out)
    and thats the reason I dont have a tour lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnepsa View Post
    and thats the reason I dont have a tour lol
    Yeah, me too *LOL* I wanted a Tour so damn bad before it came out. Luckily for me, the President of the college I work for got one and I was in charge of setting it up. By the time I was done, my opinion was that it was a nice device, but compared to the Storm the screen was too small; and to me it was hard to type on.

    I will admit that the awesome screen on the Storm is the reason I use it as much as possible, and only activate the Flip when I feel the environment I will be in is likely to endanger my Storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    Yeah, me too *LOL* I wanted a Tour so damn bad before it came out. Luckily for me, the President of the college I work for got one and I was in charge of setting it up. By the time I was done, my opinion was that it was a nice device, but compared to the Storm the screen was too small; and to me it was hard to type on.

    I will admit that the awesome screen on the Storm is the reason I use it as much as possible, and only activate the Flip when I feel the environment I will be in is likely to endanger my Storm.

    That is how I feel.. I have a work BB and I never bring it home.. they made me run with the tour for 30 days because...lol my boss says I guarantee you wont want to go back to the storm, I carry the storm as my personal line too... lol at 30days he walks in and says so you keeping it? I simply said where is my storm? The tour is a great phone but I love my storm

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    Quote Originally Posted by honeysmith View Post
    Is this blackberry model is avilable in India?

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    Hello, just to let you know that I deleted the link in your post as spam. See the BBOS rules and guidelines... http://www.blackberryos.com/forums/n...uidelines.html

    To answer your question, the 82xx is a fairly old device so you may be able to find it on eBay or another used phone site. There is a much newer version of the Pearl device.

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    Hi New here but been techy for a while i have been fooling around with a flip for a while and i have this Pain with the bluetooth
    as far as i can see the system is trying to locate file that are corrupt
    eg: net.rim.bluetooth.hf- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.a2dp- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.avrcp- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.sap- CLUP
    this is the dump of the system log any idea why these files logged ever few seconds?
    for or is it a hardware promblem ?

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    Hey victorwice, just foun your post here, sorry.
    I have posted this question to our team so we'll have an answer soon.
    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by victortwice View Post
    Hi New here but been techy for a while i have been fooling around with a flip for a while and i have this Pain with the bluetooth
    as far as i can see the system is trying to locate file that are corrupt
    eg: net.rim.bluetooth.hf- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.a2dp- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.avrcp- CLUP
    net.rim.bluetooth.sap- CLUP
    this is the dump of the system log any idea why these files logged ever few seconds?
    for or is it a hardware promblem ?

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    Hello victortwice, and welcome to

    Try to reset the BlackBerry device by removing the battery while the device is still powered-on.

    Leave the battery out for a minute or 2.

    I would also suggest, if possible, check below for the latest OS4.6.0.305, and from what I see in your profile, your using a BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220, which has Bluetooth v2.0 with A2DP.

    Download: BlackBerry Pearl Flip 8220

    Regarding the Bluetooth feature, to transfer a file via Bluetooth, both devices need to be paired with each other, the file itself needs to be a compressed (zipped and complete),

    Keep us posted below.

    Thank you.

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