What's wrong with that curve in the pics? It looks like it's got serious condensation underneath the screen. LOL
I've got a few things I'd like to throw at this article as well.
Are you serious? Is this how people view the OS and device lineup? I don't see a mishmash of various ideas on a blackberry, I see a well working device. Sure, there are some bugs. S*&T happens, no electronics are designed with absolutely no flaws, but I have never used a more stable phone OS with the features, and I have owned and used a lot of various cell phones. I have had 3 blackberrys, I went from a Bold 9000 to a Storm 9530 to a Tour 9630. I've used my friend's iphone (which he has had to replace not 1, not 5, not 10, but 12 times), and sure the screen is nice, but my device has basic features such as cut/copy/paste, MMS, the ability to do a battery pull, record videos, expand memory cards, set custom ringtones, and my network supports it well.the devices still seem like a mishmash of undercooked ideas
Because the full flash support runs so well on both devices, except it doesn't. There is no full flash support, meaning there is no way to render "just" like your PC would. Apple is working on it though, as is Palm and RIM. There are 3rd party programs working on it as well. I would like to see it updated, but I also like the fact that I have EVDO service almost everywhere with my Storm and Tour where my Bold did not have anything anywhere.Unlike the iPhone or the Palm Pre, the BlackBerry does not display web pages just the way your PC would.
NO! RIM was arround long before the need for touchscreen and before they came out with, what I referr to as the consumer-end phones, RIM had 5 million subscribers just for business only. Once the consumers came out, they ended last year just under 14 million consumer and corporate phones. RIM doesn't need to show off to other companies, and they don't need you. If you want a touchscreen phone on a network that only makes it work well in the top 50 markets in the nation, feel free to go, RIM would rather have corporate users anyway: they pay bills, on time, they don't complain about their phones and IT admins like them because of the control and reliability.
Now, I have a Storm and it works fine for me. Granted, when I am driving 55 down a gravel road, yea, it's kinda hard to type, but I can type with mine just fine, I can even type faster than my friend's iPhone. But just remember when you whine to RIM to make a good touchscreen, they don't need you and you should be happy with what they give you.
Because an app that just goes "That's what she said," an app that makes a fart noise, an app that plays a high-frequency sound that supposidly no one over the age of 14 should be able to hear (but I hear it like nails on a chalkboard) means that people use it consistantly? I don't care if you want to fill your application memory with pointless applications, my blackberries run only apps that I use and use well. MORE is not always better, Windows Mobile has 18,000 apps to use, but they have a purpose, too.Apple’s iPhone App Store has about 70,000 applications available while the BlackBerry marketplace has 2,322 apps in it
EVDO, EVDO Rev A. 'Nuff said.
But in all serious, I had Wifi on my Bold, I never used it, it wouldn't do what I wanted it to do so I said screw it and stuck with my blazing fast EDGE network. I don't miss it on either my Storm or Tour.
I've never had an issue with mine, it backs up, syncs, loads apps, and does everything I want it to do. It's very simple to set up. Granted, the Roxio Media Manager isn't fun to use, but it converts my videos without a hitch and that is all I use it for, I sync my music and pictures manually as I decide what I want to listen to. I have also helped several dozen people set it up initially and I never hear back from anyone about how to do something becaue it does what they want it to do.
And, why are we comparing RIM to Apple anyway? RIM doesn't have to compete with other companies, they're better and working in the cell phone industry I can hook any person up with the perfect blackberry and perfect software/apps in any situation. Hell, I even set up my Mom with a blackberry and she is scared of technology. I solute you, RIM and love your phones
Well said Peeps :fing02:
Definitely some good points in here and I agree the world has just gone loopy over the iPhone. But let me play point, counterpoint for a second.
Yeah I have owned the iPhone and every other known device to mankind plus about 10 different BB's. And let me say this, thank god for the iPhone as the cell phone market including RIM was so stagnant prior to that I think I saw flies. iPhone put it squarely right in the jaw of RIM to come out with better products. Have they answered, somewhat.
WiFi: All I have to say is this is the 21st century whether you use it or not is irrelevant this is should be a standard item end of story. Anyone here who has ever traveled internationally will sing praises about how much money they can save by having it. Verizon can say whatever they want about their network, WiFi should be standard.
Web Browsing: Seriously are we going to let RIM off the hook. I have seen ground sloths move faster than RIM's web browser loads java script. Third party browser whatever, mobile Safari just puts RIM browser to shame. And for that matter so does, Google and the Pre.
Multimedia: Ha I won't even discuss this. This is like comparing Michael Jordan with a high school basketball player
Email: RIM trashes the iPhone all over the place.
Stability: Minus the Storm it's a close race. You don't see people returning the iPhone because of a lose battery door or trackball that doesn't work.
If Apple does figure out the unified inbox and a better system to work with Network servers, the iPhone will give BB a real run for it's money. RIM is not the only player in town.
Here's a nice little stat to ponder: in 3 years the iPhone has sold 30 million units. Since it's inception BB has sold about 100 million.
Yes I am BB user and lover, but I am not going to settle on the status quo. A recent study by Forbes found that if the iPhone was picked up by VZW, 50% of Storm users would get an iPhone instead.
Sony Ericcson P900 series and the P1 ushered in quite a bit of usability and stability as far as smartphones go, and the Nokia NSeries is way beyond most, if not all, of what Apple/RIM have been doing - I'd sell my soul for an N900 and a carrier that was worth a damn in the USA - unfortunately, that isn't the case with GSM, not in this market anyway, and not ever from what I remember ATT telling me when I worked for them.....cell phone market including RIM was so stagnant prior to that I think I saw flies. iPhone put it squarely right in the jaw of RIM to come out with better products.
Fair argument, I'll give you that. Roaming charges overseas can be pretty astronomical, and WiFi could definitely save you there. But honestly, seriously, how many BB users are ever going to go out of the country other than on business who wouldn't have company provided netbooks/laptops. Skype/Google voice dialing aside, it is coming, it will be standard, Sprint and Verizon f-d up pretty hard with it, but in all honestly, the subject of WiFi on a BB should be dropped already - what with the Odin right around the corner and the Essex, and all new BB devices to have WiFi - it does no good to cry over a feature missing that is being fixed. We should be focused more on features that... I dunno, are going overlooked....how much money they can save by having it. Verizon can say whatever they want about their network, WiFi should be standard.
Honestly, I don't know where you're living, but I'd like to be there. Edge service with Safari does not load anything faster than EV-DO A. I don't care what kind of mystics you're pulling on your IPhone to conjure up a page like that, the pipe is purely not big enough on edge. On 3G, yea, sure, Safari is probably pretty snappy, I can't say I've ever seen it however, Minneapolis/St.Paul's 3G coverage on ATT is so spot poor I doubt I could even be at the Apple Store in the MOA and see it work well. Another network, another time, maybe I'd agree. It does look pretty when it loads the websites tho. I can't argue about Android running on Verizon/Sprint HTC phones, as it has appeared pretty snappy, and the Pre definitely could pound out a page. Yea, RIM does need to work on it's browser, I'm not arguing they don't, but if I can get a third party to do the same dang thing and do it quicker then them, I'll take that solution. "There's an app for that".Web Browsing: Seriously are we going to let RIM off the hook. I have seen ground sloths move faster than RIM's web browser loads java script. Third party browser whatever, mobile Safari just puts RIM browser to shame. And for that matter so does, Google and the Pre.
It is gonna be hard to ever bring down the king of email - may it happen, yea, will Apple be the one to do it... doubtful.Email: RIM trashes the iPhone all over the place.
I could be like, "The lose battery door is a joke..." and "The trackball issue is resolved now if you DOA the phone and get a green stickered box", but I'm gonna take the high road on this one - oh yeah, my phone does MMS, does yours?Stability: Minus the Storm it's a close race. You don't see people returning the iPhone because of a lose battery door or trackball that doesn't work.
Nah, but seriously, all things aside, I saw someone warranty exchange their IPhone for a blown speaker (due to contact with Ranch dipping sauce... yea I know, they took it under warranty), 5 "worn out" screens, and 2 overheating batteries. Man, I'll take a millimeter of wobbly backdoor for that. My trackball works fantastic, so I can't argue there - some people get 'em, some people don't.
I can really see Apple attempting to do something with propriety email clients/servers and backend and making corporations evolve to appease IPhone users - that isn't winning unless the corperation gives in. But yea, maybe, maybe they'll have a good idea, and their email will be sweet like RIMs, but by the time that happens - considering during the last evolution of the IPhone, "cut and paste" was a revolution - RIM will probably have a device out that will fix the issues we've stated here.If Apple does figure out the unified inbox and a better system to work with Network servers, the iPhone will give BB a real run for it's money. RIM is not the only player in town.
Solid numbers, but I'm curious as to how many of both of these numbers are people simply upgrading old units and not single users - 30 million and 100 million are big numbers, but note if 15 million IPhone users are there and 30 million units are sold because users upgraded each time an iteration was out.Here's a nice little stat to ponder: in 3 years the iPhone has sold 30 million units. Since it's inception BB has sold about 100 million.
Let's face facts, the Storm was rushed out to compete in a market it should have never tried to compete in. It should have waited a while, been refined, but it gave people hope, and those people are on these forums every day, drooling over Storm 2 footage, talking rumors and speculation, waiting, hoping, that RIM comes back from the blow the Storm gave. If the Storm 2 is what Storm-lovers crave, I think that number will be significantly different in the future - will some people still want an IPhone? Yea. I want a Koenigsegg too, but it isn't efficient for it's price point, and neither is an Iphone or its fairly absurd monthly fees.Yes I am BB user and lover, but I am not going to settle on the status quo. A recent study by Forbes found that if the iPhone was picked up by VZW, 50% of Storm users would get an iPhone instead.
i like how the app store was talked about, i dont need 65000 apps that do fart sounds, or just some simple lame apps, i have had a friend with a i phone and talk about pointless apps plus a lot of those apps are games and media apps need say more, if i wanted to play games all day i would have went i phone lol
and for the desktop software, i hate itunes, not because i dislike macs but for other reasons i dont find any trouble putting data and a/v on my device
i think this article is kinda BS way biased to the IPHONE and APPLE's software plain and simple
there is reason we bought berry's
forgot to talk about the gee whiz features, when did media playback and touch screens become a gee whiz thing, they simply offering it because its kinda standard, before i made my move to my berry i have a flip LG phone that played movies and music etc etc
i should write a 5 ways i would smash a iphone if i had one article
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