Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 8 of 12

  1. #1
    Poita316's Avatar
    Poita316 is offline BlackBerryOS Gifted Follow Poita316 On Twitter
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Rozenburg ZH
    PIN
    280DB6B0
    Device
    9900 Bold
    OS
    7.1.0.402
    Carrier
    Vodafone
    Posts
    346

    RIM gives pin to goverment UAE

    Today I read in a Dutch newspaper that RIM will be giving all registerd pin's of all Blackberry's in use in UAE to it's goverment.
    Reason being that the securityagencies could'nt read email and / or messenger messages sent from a Blackberry.
    In India a block on Blackberry services is at hand, like in the UAE.
    RIM say's they might release pin's there aswell.
    Is this a big mistake by RIM, seeing our goverment (don't know why) is complaining. It could be, seeing they gave it up once, other countries want the pin number aswel?
    I know that normal phone and / or text traffic already is monitored and / or saved, but is'nt this the time comapnies should say no?
    What do you think?
    Ps, sorry for any spelling mistakes :P



  2. #2
    Joe Jerde's Avatar
    Joe Jerde is offline Owner | President Follow Joe Jerde On Twitter Add Joe Jerde on Facebook Add Joe Jerde on Google+ Add Joe Jerde on Linkedin
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Device
    BlackBerry Z10
    OS
    10.0.9.2743
    Carrier
    Verizon
    Posts
    7,928
    Hello, great post. On one hand I think that it violates a consumers right to privacy, but one the other hand many countries like India, UAE, Saudi Arabia all have many active Islamic extremist cells that may use the privacy of the BB to carry out acts of violence. It seems that this may be what these countries are trying to prohibit.

    For the big picture, what it all boils down to is that RIM is a private company and has the right to pick and choose where and when information can be given out. If the users don't like that, then they can go to another phone company and RIM will lose more customer base. RIM is stuck between a hard place and a rock on this one.

  3. #3
    Poita316's Avatar
    Poita316 is offline BlackBerryOS Gifted Follow Poita316 On Twitter
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Rozenburg ZH
    PIN
    280DB6B0
    Device
    9900 Bold
    OS
    7.1.0.402
    Carrier
    Vodafone
    Posts
    346
    I agree on both points.
    My point on the othe hand is this.
    What keeps other countries, like mine, from demanding the same or banning RIM?
    Is'nt it easier to get banned in certain countries?
    Would'nt the amount of phones you wont sell be a small part of the total?

    Also, in any country there can be terrorists, but I don't think that's why they want to have the info. I guess it's more being in controle. My sister lives there, and it's a lot different then in Europe.

    I think RIM has a certain position to prevent unlawfull plans that might be made using blackberry way's of communication. But don't you agree that there are many other ways to plan things? You can code emails and all, phones can be scrambled, I mean if people want to harm, they will find a way.

    I just hope RIM does'nt buckle and gives it all when other countries want t have it.



  4. #4
    joshjamie's Avatar
    joshjamie is offline BlackBerryOS Addict Follow joshjamie On Twitter
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Kitchener
    PIN
    Bell
    Device
    Z10
    OS
    10.0.10.85
    Posts
    545
    Playing devil's advocate here we need to remember that the countries in question...UAE, China, Iran to name a few, either curtail or downright ban free speech. What they are requesting is nothing specific against RIM. This is a part of everyday life in these countries that extends to all forms of communication.

    RIM and all other smartphone makers knew this when breaking into these markets. At some point, they knew they would have to bend in some way shape or manner in order to sell they're product there. Its. Fact of life.

    However, with that said, where do the RIM's, Motorola's and LG's say enough I'd enough and its just not worth the millions in profits they garner from these markets. Unfortunately we do live in a society that is run by the almighty dollar and not compassion for human rights. Let's do the math...750 000 Abusers in the UAE alone. Say a quarter of them are using the higher end BB's...the numbers are staggering. And as far as China goes, that market involves the worlds most populous nations.

    I'm sure RIM knew this long before entering these markets and already had the server installation in these countries as a contingency.
    Posted via mobile device

  5. #5
    Poita316's Avatar
    Poita316 is offline BlackBerryOS Gifted Follow Poita316 On Twitter
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Rozenburg ZH
    PIN
    280DB6B0
    Device
    9900 Bold
    OS
    7.1.0.402
    Carrier
    Vodafone
    Posts
    346
    Agreed.
    Yet by giving in to the request, they open pave the way for other countries who are less / not know for it's privacy and / or civilrights in a negative way.
    Like I said before, the Dutch goverment is also worried. But we are not like China, India, UAE etc.
    Not in that way atleast. Thing is you get doubble standards.
    As a parent, you cant tell one kids to stay off the coockies yet give another a coockie. This argument will be used and, if all goed sour, RIM would be forced to hand it over or banned.
    All I want to say is that RIM opened the door for all other countries by giving in.
    On the other hand, who says others wont be using it against people without us knowing it?



  6. #6
    Bugly's Avatar
    Bugly is offline BlackBerryOS Gifted Follow Bugly On Twitter
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Hilltop, TACO-ma, Wash.
    PIN
    307959E6
    Device
    Antique 9530
    OS
    Whatever works today
    Posts
    353
    This is all well and good, and they're trying to convince us all that its being done "for our own good". The problem with this scheme is not only the fact that those using BlackBerries for illegal things will have them registered in another name, or just plain steal them from legitimate consumers. Another problem we WILL see is; once this becomes acceptable in one place, it becomes standard everywhere. If you don't fully believe me on this, take a look at how helmet laws and emissions testing became so prevalent. First, it is touted as being "for your own good", then it is sold to you by showing how happy the people who already lost their liberties appear to be. Don't fall for the hype.

  7. #7
    Joe Jerde's Avatar
    Joe Jerde is offline Owner | President Follow Joe Jerde On Twitter Add Joe Jerde on Facebook Add Joe Jerde on Google+ Add Joe Jerde on Linkedin
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Device
    BlackBerry Z10
    OS
    10.0.9.2743
    Carrier
    Verizon
    Posts
    7,928
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugly View Post
    This is all well and good, and they're trying to convince us all that its being done "for our own good". The problem with this scheme is not only the fact that those using BlackBerries for illegal things will have them registered in another name, or just plain steal them from legitimate consumers. Another problem we WILL see is; once this becomes acceptable in one place, it becomes standard everywhere. If you don't fully believe me on this, take a look at how helmet laws and emissions testing became so prevalent. First, it is touted as being "for your own good", then it is sold to you by showing how happy the people who already lost their liberties appear to be. Don't fall for the hype.
    You are right to a point, but I would have used different analogies... Helmet laws are good as sometimes the other guy may bump you off your bike. It shouldn't even have to be a law if the guy on the bike is using common sense. As far as emissions, you just have to come live in Montana where we have no emission laws.

  8. #8
    Poita316's Avatar
    Poita316 is offline BlackBerryOS Gifted Follow Poita316 On Twitter
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Rozenburg ZH
    PIN
    280DB6B0
    Device
    9900 Bold
    OS
    7.1.0.402
    Carrier
    Vodafone
    Posts
    346
    Point still being that any country only has to threaten to ban RIM and they get what they want.
    Like he said, it will be "for our own good" but is it?
    I know they can check calls, text and who knows what else, but thats not because of companies that let goverments do that.
    Ithink RIM should say no and take the risk. In the west I dont think it will impact anything, but flip those countries over there the bird...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •