neo,thank you very mich i am new to these forums and i have learned a great deal from you and all other members. i had a 8830 curve and loved it, it is a workhorse, and i wanted the tour so bad that i paid the price of a 1 yr update ($335+++) plus now i see that the storm 2 is coming out, and quess what i will buy it too. because i can get more things on it than the tour. MY rep from verizon had the first storm and then went back to the curve now he is back to the storm. i do have big fingers so i am npot sure the storm is for me . but i will buy it anyway. once again a great big THANK YOU!!!! PLEASE give me any good suggestions on where i can dl the newest os w/o losing anything good!