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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill3r.Conc3ptz View Post
    Oh, I understand fully. I think my comment was more out of frustration than anything else. I just feel that one year into product development, the OS should be optimized. But I do know how these things work; that was a pretty silly comment from me. I'm glad you guys were pretty clear on that though, as many people do not understand. On another note, I thought carrier's were the only one's that tested the software?
    No problem, I am in the same boat you are.

    As Cat stated, RIM does their own internal testing it's not something only the carriers do.



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    Cat - starting a thread like this is just cruel. Now I back to the watch and wait. :laugh2:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill3r.Conc3ptz View Post
    Oh, I understand fully. I think my comment was more out of frustration than anything else. I just feel that one year into product development, the OS should be optimized. But I do know how these things work; that was a pretty silly comment from me. I'm glad you guys were pretty clear on that though, as many people do not understand. On another note, I thought carrier's were the only one's that tested the software?
    Kill3r, the thing is there will never be a 100% optimized OS for ANY device. OSes by nature are constantly being upgraded. A leaked OS such as 5.0.0.191 is an example of an OS build that was never meant to make it anywheres outside of RIM's testing labs. Most likely, they are fooling with something internally which required the camera to be disabled. So it's not so much that the OS isn't "optimized", it's more the case that it was never meant to be a fully functioning OS. It's all about the need to occasionally "break" things to make an improvement. Perhaps my previous post about a possibility of a change to the video "driver" inside of the SFI is the reason for the camera being disabled. Perhaps the method the camera app uses to display the preview is incompatible with the new video "driver" and thus the camera was simply disabled.

    A higher build that is in fact meant to be released to carriers for their own testing would likely be "fixed" and feature complete. I think the problem is our expectations being set too high by the 4.7.0.x leaks that were all more or less feature complete, as they all leaked from a carrier testing phase for the most part; or were official releases by some obscure carrier. The game seems to have changed with 5.0.0.x; as out of 3 releases for the 9530, none are suitable for actual carrier testing.

    5.0.0.140 has the alarm bug
    5.0.0.154 has the browser text field bug
    5.0.0.191 has the camera bug

    Any software problems are the result of the app not being updated yet; but the three examples above are all complete showstoppers, as they all significantly affect usage in a negative way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    5.0.0.140 has the alarm bug
    5.0.0.154 has the browser text field bug
    5.0.0.191 has the camera bug

    Any software problems are the result of the app not being updated yet; but the three examples above are all complete showstoppers, as they all significantly affect usage in a negative way.
    that one has a fix and a workaround. IMO it is the most stable of the three

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave12308 View Post
    Kill3r, the thing is there will never be a 100% optimized OS for ANY device. OSes by nature are constantly being upgraded. A leaked OS such as 5.0.0.191 is an example of an OS build that was never meant to make it anywheres outside of RIM's testing labs. Most likely, they are fooling with something internally which required the camera to be disabled. So it's not so much that the OS isn't "optimized", it's more the case that it was never meant to be a fully functioning OS. It's all about the need to occasionally "break" things to make an improvement. Perhaps my previous post about a possibility of a change to the video "driver" inside of the SFI is the reason for the camera being disabled. Perhaps the method the camera app uses to display the preview is incompatible with the new video "driver" and thus the camera was simply disabled.

    A higher build that is in fact meant to be released to carriers for their own testing would likely be "fixed" and feature complete. I think the problem is our expectations being set too high by the 4.7.0.x leaks that were all more or less feature complete, as they all leaked from a carrier testing phase for the most part; or were official releases by some obscure carrier. The game seems to have changed with 5.0.0.x; as out of 3 releases for the 9530, none are suitable for actual carrier testing.

    5.0.0.140 has the alarm bug
    5.0.0.154 has the browser text field bug
    5.0.0.191 has the camera bug

    Any software problems are the result of the app not being updated yet; but the three examples above are all complete showstoppers, as they all significantly affect usage in a negative way.
    Oh, okay. It was alwasy my understanding these these recent builds leaked from the carrier testing stage. If that was not the case, then it makes perfect sense. Because of that assumption, I felt as if those builds should have never left RIM and gone to carriers for testing. But like you said, that was not the case, so I have nothing to complain about.
    Last edited by Kill3r.Conc3ptz; 09-09-2009 at 09:20 PM.



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    I wonder if there are any flick-scroll capable, as well as speedy, 5.0 builds that are in carrier testing right now then? .191 is the first flick-scroll capable leak available (also .140, enabled via a .191 settings backup), but does anyone know what the first 5.0 build with already-enabled flickscroll is?

    Whatever 5.0 build Verizon decides to put out for the 9530, I hope it has flick scroll. I was never big on the feature before, but now that I've had it in .191, I don't want to lose it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm5150 View Post
    Oh man hittin below the belt, OUCH :laugh2: but wouldn't that make our waiting room more realistic, I mean we might be waiting a long time, so maybe you should rename Your room to "probably gonna get a leak" room
    By renaming it that, it would sound like we're a waiting room full of plumbers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by catstide View Post
    that one has a fix and a workaround. IMO it is the most stable of the three
    I know there is a workaround, however what I was pointing out was that all 3 5.0.0.x releases for the 9530 contain a "showstopper" bug that a) would prevent it from reaching carrier testing to begin with; or b) fail pretty early on in the testing. I was not merely pointing out bugs, I apologize for the confusion.

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