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    do you think there will be a way to access 4G network on our 9530/9500? As of now it is a no go, but there has got to be something like a radio change or anything. There are a lot of great minds here! Just looking for opinions.




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    yes and no.

    the cdma world is changing, but like it is now we 9530'ers aren't on a 3g network we have 1XEV.

    cdma will be changing to HSPA which is the equivalent to 4g.

    at least thats the way I understand it.
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    I believe you are right on that one. 1XEV will not be able to convert. It's a whole new ball game. I'm just suprised on your quote "9530'ers aren't on a 3G network". Verizon is wasting my time.
    Quote Originally Posted by smcoldbb View Post
    yes and no.

    the cdma world is changing, but like it is now we 9530'ers aren't on a 3g network we have 1XEV.

    cdma will be changing to HSPA which is the equivalent to 4g.

    at least thats the way I understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smcoldbb View Post
    yes and no.

    the cdma world is changing, but like it is now we 9530'ers aren't on a 3g network we have 1XEV.

    cdma will be changing to HSPA which is the equivalent to 4g.

    at least thats the way I understand it.
    First off welcome to BBOS!

    Let me modify SMC's statement a bit.

    CDMA uses a system called EVDO which is the equivalent of 3G for GSM users which is HSPA.

    Verizon, which is uses CDMA is launching their equivalent of 4G which is called LTE sometime late 2010 early 2011. Once they turn the switch on you will be able to use with your phone. However by 2011 I suspect you may have another phone which certainly will be compatible with LTE/4G. Hope that helps.

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    Thanks for the input. You probably are right though....a new phone will be in my hands by then. I appreciate your comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanren78 View Post
    Thanks for the input. You probably are right though....a new phone will be in my hands by then. I appreciate your comment.
    No problem!

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    that makes more sense thanks JL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanren78 View Post
    Thanks for the input. You probably are right though....a new phone will be in my hands by then. I appreciate your comment.

    Ya a Storm 2 :09:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlevy73 View Post
    First off welcome to BBOS!

    Let me modify SMC's statement a bit.

    CDMA uses a system called EVDO which is the equivalent of 3G for GSM users which is HSPA.

    Verizon, which is uses CDMA is launching their equivalent of 4G which is called LTE sometime late 2010 early 2011. Once they turn the switch on you will be able to use with your phone. However by 2011 I suspect you may have another phone which certainly will be compatible with LTE/4G. Hope that helps.
    Thanks for clarifying and valuable info, Josh...nice to know

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    I just want to clarify something:

    LTE - while it is true verizon will be switching to this, it is in fact a GSM band. No CDMA here. CDMA is fundamentally limited in many ways (i.e. voice and data at the same time, at least on verizon) and is going the way of the dodo.

    Also, no, your gen 1 storm will not pick up LTE signal for the same reason a normal EVDO phone won't pick up EVDO rev. A, and an EVDO rev. A phone won't pick EVDO rev. B, etc. Also, it's on a completely different frequency than what any current 3G phone (GSM or CDMA) uses and will require a brand new radio chip than we currently have in our storms. Once LTE is rolled out, you will still pick up EVDO and the other GSM bands the phone supports, though.

    Verizon is not the only carrier that will be rolling out LTE, almost all other carriers have jumped onto the bandwagon. Personally, I think it's about time (almost) every carrier in the world settled on one wireless tech. Now is definitely the time to do it too. Here's to looking forward to broadband speeds on your phone, as well as voice + data at the same time on verizon's stellar network!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollip3020 View Post
    I just want to clarify something:

    LTE - while it is true verizon will be switching to this, it is in fact a GSM band. No CDMA here. CDMA is fundamentally limited in many ways (i.e. voice and data at the same time, at least on verizon) and is going the way of the dodo.

    Also, no, your gen 1 storm will not pick up LTE signal for the same reason a normal EVDO phone won't pick up EVDO rev. A, and an EVDO rev. A phone won't pick EVDO rev. B, etc. Also, it's on a completely different frequency than what any current 3G phone (GSM or CDMA) uses and will require a brand new radio chip than we currently have in our storms. Once LTE is rolled out, you will still pick up EVDO and the other GSM bands the phone supports, though.

    Verizon is not the only carrier that will be rolling out LTE, almost all other carriers have jumped onto the bandwagon. Personally, I think it's about time (almost) every carrier in the world settled on one wireless tech. Now is definitely the time to do it too. Here's to looking forward to broadband speeds on your phone, as well as voice + data at the same time on verizon's stellar network!
    Well said and thanks for correcting and clarifying my statement.

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    verizon is working on 4g also?? i thought spring took control for first dibs on that.?? interesting to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSmurf View Post
    verizon is working on 4g also?? i thought spring took control for first dibs on that.?? interesting to read.
    Yes they have for quite a while. Sprint is working on something called WiMax but that has not been too successful as of yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlevy73 View Post
    Yes they have for quite a while. Sprint is working on something called WiMax but that has not been too successful as of yet.
    wimax has been in the cook book since i was working there from 07' the signal isnt responding well to the network and its costing a ton to replace their 3g and their data is failing also soo too many things gone wrong with that i wonder if they will ever get that done right... but since the comercials of sprint r promoting 4g.. i never hreally heard the verizon ever say anything about 4 g thats y i was askin.. thx for the heads up tho... and damm that was a fast response hahahahahaha

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    I'd just like to add...

    The Storm 9530 has a Qualcomm MSM7600 chip that supports CDMA EVDO Rev A and UTMS/HSDPA/HSUPA. This means it can support all the major carrier networks.

    Qualcomm has been working on Rev B which increases speeds to 8+MB/s down/up with Rev C going much higher. However, I have yet to see any carrier go for this since they seem to be moving to the next generation 4G network.

    As for 4G, it will take a hardware upgrade to use it. I don't see the Storm 2 or phones released this or next year having it as I'm assuming the phone companies want a chipset that works with backwards compabilities.
    The most advanced chipset Qualcomm has right now is the QSD8672 (HSPA+/EVDO Rev B). I expect the Qualcomm 9xxx will support the LTE networks next year or in 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSmurf View Post
    wimax has been in the cook book since i was working there from 07' the signal isnt responding well to the network and its costing a ton to replace their 3g and their data is failing also soo too many things gone wrong with that i wonder if they will ever get that done right... but since the comercials of sprint r promoting 4g.. i never hreally heard the verizon ever say anything about 4 g thats y i was askin.. thx for the heads up tho... and damm that was a fast response hahahahahaha
    Yeah verzion is going with LTE which is their equivalent of 4G. As Holli explained this will allow Verizon to change from CDMA to GSM. And in the process will probably put qualcomm out of biz

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    yeah makes sense.. poor qualcom been in the game forever and is still in almost every chip having to do with most cell phones

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    You are correct but VZW does not allow for GSM usage in the states unless you unlock to work with a GSM carrier. The chipset can work but VZW cripples it. I do subcontracting work for qualcomm and IMO their best chipset is inferior to some of the ones currently on the market. VZW will have a tough choice to make when they roll over to LTE.

    Thanks for your comments. Very well spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by secured2k View Post
    I'd just like to add...

    The Storm 9530 has a Qualcomm MSM7600 chip that supports CDMA EVDO Rev A and UTMS/HSDPA/HSUPA. This means it can support all the major carrier networks.

    Qualcomm has been working on Rev B which increases speeds to 8+MB/s down/up with Rev C going much higher. However, I have yet to see any carrier go for this since they seem to be moving to the next generation 4G network.

    As for 4G, it will take a hardware upgrade to use it. I don't see the Storm 2 or phones released this or next year having it as I'm assuming the phone companies want a chipset that works with backwards compabilities.
    The most advanced chipset Qualcomm has right now is the QSD8672 (HSPA+/EVDO Rev B). I expect the Qualcomm 9xxx will support the LTE networks next year or in 2011.

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    This may shed some light on the subject,

    Verizon Wireless, owned by US carrier Verizon and Vodafone announced that it will start using a new wireless broadband technology known as Long Term Evolution as its wireless broadband standard of choice, dealing a blow to chipmakers Qualcomm and Intel and their alternative technologies.
    Verizon Wireless will give LTE a trial run in 2008 using equipment from Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Motorola, Nokia-Siemens, and Nortel. The project is expected to attract start-ups specializing in fourth-generation wireless technologies.

    The move is likely to give a fresh blow to rival wireless broadband technology WiMAX, and may be the killing blow for the current Wi-Fi technology, with industry players admitting that the decision to use the technology is significant because it is an indication of Verizon Wireless’ willingness to operate a more commonly used network. CDMA, Verizon’s current standard, is not compatible with many of the world’s carriers, which use a standard called GSM.

    Verizon’s pronouncement follows AT&T in saying that the largest US carrier will be using LTE, the latest 4G technology which promises high data transmission rates. The move is seen as the long-awaited upgrade by Verizon, which is still using CDMA networks, in turn enabling Vodafone to resolve long-standing incompatibilities with its GSM-based networks.

    In a statement published at Redherring.com, Fran O’Brien, director of wireless standards for Alcatel-Lucent said “two major carriers with a common platform also give suppliers a bigger target to shoot for.”
    O’Brien added that LTE has attracted the attention of a number of global operators. Verizon’s commitment to the technology, he said, lends immense credibility to LTE and could provide the incentive that makes it a mainstream technology.

    One of the early adopters of CDMA and its high-speed data technology Evolution-Data Optimized (EV-DO) Verizon’s adoption of LTE is in many ways a surprise departure from CDMA orthodoxy.
    Verizon released a statement to the Financial Times saying that its recent commitment to open access to its network is made more feasible through the higher bandwidth promised by LTE. It also adds that Verizon Wireless now plan to let independent developers attach to its network, effectively opening its network to outsiders.

    Richard Lynch, Verizon’s chief technology officer, added that LTE was part of the company’s vision of giving customers an all-encompassing wireless internet connectivity that is linked to “a multitude of new devices and applications, with particular focus on embedded wireless in virtually every piece of electronics.”

    On the other hand, developers of CDMA technology is putting up a brave face amidst the impending transition. Perry LaForge, executive director of the CDMA Development Group said that although it has become clear that a ‘one technology fits all’ strategy may no longer suffice in today’s competitive markets, 3G CDMA services will remain the dominant generation of mobile communications services long into the future.

    Verizon’s announcement to eventually unlock its network to any device or software program marks the company’s reversal of its previous inclination for a closed network, acknowledging that having a common network goes a long way toward an open environment where cellphones can seamlessly roam between different network providers.

    “The company’s move toward a 4G network is driven by our vision of pervasive wireless Internet connectivity and mobility,” Richard Lynch, chief technology officer for Verizon Communications Inc., said in a statement released to the Financial Times.

    Verizon Wireless, together with Vodafone Group PLC, plans to begin trials next year with the cooperation of Alcatel-Lucent, L.M. Ericsson Telephone Co., Nokia Siemens Networks and Nortel Networks Corp. as network suppliers. It is currently negotiating with major industry players such as Nokia Corp. and Motorola Inc., to provide the handsets, eventually making it easier for Verizon Wireless customers in the U.S. to travel abroad and use their phones.

    Originally published at:
    Executivebrief.com
    Last edited by cruznthru; 06-30-2009 at 11:41 PM.

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    Damn cruz finally, I was waiting for the master to show up :arms:

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